Confused

by peter wilkinson - 19/09/2005 - 15:56

If “by him (Jesus) all things were created, things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities” - Colossians 1:16, when and how could this have happened if Jesus did not pre-exist his earthly life? How could this have happened if Jesus was only an idea in the mind of God before his birth? (I also don’t understand how Jesus can be any less than a creator in the light of this statement - but I’ve already made that observation).

I’ll look forward to the explanation in future posts - though I am wondering where this conversation is going!

Jesus is not God Almighty By: Theocrat (57 replies) 5 September, 2005 - 13:01

Re: Jesus is not God Almighty By: PastorKG (05/02/2010 - 01:43)
Re: Jesus is not God Almighty By: larry91403 (31/01/2010 - 11:08)
Re: Jesus is not God Almighty By: The world has moved on. (30/01/2010 - 05:48)
Re: Jesus is not God Almighty By: DoubtingFaith (26/09/2009 - 21:42)
- Re: Jesus is not God Almighty By: PastorKG (28/10/2009 - 17:36)
Re: Jesus is not God Almighty By: PastorKG (20/08/2009 - 01:03)
- Re: Jesus is not God Almighty By: DoubtingFaith (27/09/2009 - 02:14)
Re: Jesus is not God Almighty By: Servetus the Evangelical (03/08/2009 - 06:01)
Re: Jesus is not God Almighty By: kimded (22/12/2007 - 20:13)
"And the Word was God" By: smccloud (23/09/2005 - 22:16)
- Back in the saddle By: (05/10/2005 - 16:40)
  - A positive contribution By: Theocrat (05/10/2005 - 16:44)
    - A higher estimation By: (05/10/2005 - 16:51)
      - Pre-incarnate existence By: phil (07/10/2005 - 14:35)
        sent into the world By: (07/10/2005 - 17:56)
        Shaliach By: phil (14/12/2005 - 18:51)
        Re: Shaliach By: Theocrat (10/01/2006 - 13:25)
        Impasse By: phil (13/01/2006 - 13:35)
        Re: Impasse By: Theocrat (16/01/2006 - 14:22)
        Re: Impasse By: unitarian (06/01/2007 - 08:06)
        Re: Impasse By: Theocrat (03/05/2007 - 17:01)
        Re: Impasse By: larry91403 (13/01/2006 - 22:57)
        Re: Shaliach By: peter wilkinson (10/01/2006 - 15:07)
        Re: Shaliach By: Theocrat (16/01/2006 - 14:19)
        Re: Shaliach By: peter wilkinson (16/01/2006 - 15:57)
Divinity of the Son By: RickRitchie (23/09/2005 - 20:23)
Jesus is God Almighty (but that's a phrase I have never used) By: peter wilkinson (05/09/2005 - 18:54)
- That's the point By: Pluralist (05/09/2005 - 22:38)
  - The gospel according to Pluralist By: peter wilkinson (06/09/2005 - 08:16)
    - Response to Peter By: Theocrat (09/09/2005 - 13:02)
      - I don't get your drift, By: peter wilkinson (09/09/2005 - 13:19)
        Sorry, Peter By: Theocrat (09/09/2005 - 13:42)
        Gulp! By: peter wilkinson (09/09/2005 - 19:29)
        More data to consider By: phil (12/09/2005 - 14:32)
        Soon come By: Theocrat (14/09/2005 - 16:46)
        Old chestnut By: Theocrat (15/09/2005 - 16:02)
        Hot chestnuts By: peter wilkinson (15/09/2005 - 19:47)
        a slightly different approach offered By: (18/09/2005 - 18:39)
        A different approach considered By: peter wilkinson (19/09/2005 - 10:34)
        different approach qualified By: paulchen (20/09/2005 - 22:55)
        man, water, day, god By: phil (21/09/2005 - 13:10)
        He was God enough... By: (23/09/2005 - 11:59)
        "A text cannot mean what it never meant" By: mars-hill (23/09/2005 - 13:28)
        A short response to a long post By: peter wilkinson (21/09/2005 - 00:18)
        sorry for delay, Peter, Phil... By: paulchen (24/09/2005 - 17:58)
        Setting the record straight By: Theocrat (19/09/2005 - 15:20)
        Confused By: peter wilkinson (19/09/2005 - 15:56)
        Impersonal spirit By: Theocrat (15/09/2005 - 16:12)
        Not yet persuaded ... but please keep trying! By: phil (16/09/2005 - 15:38)
        martian landscapes By: mars-hill (15/09/2005 - 01:53)
        Hey, you! By: (15/09/2005 - 15:59)
        Startling claims By: phil (09/09/2005 - 14:59)
        Thou saist By: Theocrat (09/09/2005 - 16:24)
        Non-divine man left hanging By: mars-hill (13/09/2005 - 14:19)
        Hanging By: Pluralist (13/09/2005 - 21:49)
        In pursuit of a goal By: peter wilkinson (14/09/2005 - 08:46)
cause for celebration By: Albannach (05/09/2005 - 14:44)

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