Re: The canon of the Bible
Re: The canon of the Bible
Sojourner,
How well you seem to know me so far! Indeed my face lit up while simultaneously formulating a response. I can see where people might question the "limits" of Yahweh based on the mere existence of evil…but where they see limits, I see predestination and absolutely perfect knowledge.
Yahweh, in His infintely perfect knowledge, knew that creating a family (which He clearly desired-not out of necessity, but out of love and desire) would involve a few things:
(Note: although we, as humans, have to process and arrange these thoughts in order for them to make sense, Yahweh is not bound by this. Somehow He KNEW it, without time as we know it having to pass.)
1) If He created beings with no choice but to love and worship Him, He would have succeded in creating only robots!
2) Knowing that He would be creating beings that COULD choose against Him, even if it would only be .01%, He would have created a way by which the rebellious could come back to Him - Yahshua - who, although he wasn’t manifested until later in time, was foreknown (Gr. prognosis) before the foundation of the world (1 Pet. 1:20)
So, it would definitely be against what I believe about Yahweh to say that the mere presence of evil lessens His "absoluteness". Yahweh, knowing those whom He created to love and adore Him would choose not to, made a way for us to still be with Him! Anybody can create something that has an "on-off" to worship. But, as a parent myself, I can strenuously say that if the love of your child is freely given, by their choice, if greatly surpasses any form of forced obedience or love.
I will concede to one thing though, there are things I feel, and scripture repeats, that Yahweh CANNOT do. Simply - He CANNOT sin!
In regards to the canon…I am seeking an answer that I haven’t seen anyone else do focused research on. Almost every scholar authored book out there on the subject of the canon (mostly NT canon) focuses on a few things: 1)The disputes in the early church on the canon; 2) the five main "criteria" for canonicity; and 3) how are canon was shaped and who it was shaped by. All of these books are written verifying a canon by using a canon. THEY DETERMINE WHAT IS CANONICAL BY READING A CERTAIN CANON! Back to my original post, this all becomes circular. Paul states in Romans 1 that "His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse." Those who do not believe in God, have no escuse not to. Look around you, and creation itself screams God created it. What is the next step?
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