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Re: Jesus, "Hell," and Destructive Relationships

Re: Jesus, "Hell," and Destructive Relationships

So you are trying to reinterpret what Jesus is saying through the lens of your reevaluation of the modern definition of hell?

What? 

Geenna is the name of a physical place (on Earth).

OK.  But your textual evidence is…

You mean, the words of Jesus in the Gospels from a 21st century perspective?   Yes.  Do you not speak from a 21st century perspective too?  If not, how do you go about removing yourself from the 21st century?  It seems to me that replacing “hell” with geenna doesn’t remove you from a 21st century perspective.  You are still in 21st century America looking back, just as I am.  We are where we are, which is an empirical fact that is hard to dismiss.  Or is it?   What more evidence do you want?   You repeating geenna doesn’t strike me as textual evidence. First of all, if it is a place, as you say it is, then it is precisely not textual evidence.  Geenna as a place would be evidence outside the text.  Second, as the NIV translates it, Jesus uses the word “hell” and not geenna.  So, again, if you disagree with their translation, I say take it up with them.  Third, in the context of the Gospel verses that I examined, there is a lot of evidence out of which a different interpretation could be put together.  Use the textual evidence that is in front of you.  Actually look at how Jesus is using the word “hell.”  What is he doing with it?  What does he refer to?  Etc.
Jesus, "Hell," and Destructive Relationships By: Jacob (77 replies) 5 November, 2007 - 21:19