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Re: An Emergent Smoke Detector?

Re: An Emergent Smoke Detector?

Very good Andrew, now we are getting somewhere — the question is — is Hyperpreterism "good"?  But even BEFORE we get to that question, we should ask IS HYPERPRETERISM EVEN CHRISTIAN? (this is a Christian website right?)

Look, Andrew you obviously have a lot of hyperpreterists here who are trying to make their point.  You obviously have an interest in it (by joining the main hyperpreterist website).  So, here again is my point.  HYPERPRETERISM IS PRESENTING SOMETHING NEVER BELIEVED BY HISTORICAL CHRISTIANITY.

 That…

1. Jesus returned once & for all in AD70

2. The resurrection of the believers happened in AD70

3. The Judgment of the wicked & righteous happened in AD70

and I am saying that this is NOTHING like ANYTHING historic Christians have EVER believed.  It seems it is worth the smoke detector to be sounding on this.   Even Virgil Vaduva, the de facto current leader of hyperpreterism AGREES WITH MY ARTICLE that hyperpreterism can’t ever be systematic when he says on this very forum: 

Preterism is very non-systematic and organic by its very nature - it
cannot be otherwise.  This new eschatology we are striving for cannot
be systematic, otherwise it will fail to be relevant.
(source)

So why are you berating me for what I’m saying? 

The reason I LEFT 15 years of being a hyperpreterists is that I finally realized that to be a hyperpreterist meant that I could no longer consider myself a Christian…at least not in the historic sense.  And other hyperpreterists, including one of Virgil’s own co-admins for his website realized this & instead of returning to historic Christianity, has become a functioning atheist.  Andrew, you can hate my guts, you can get annoyed when a smoke detector goes off when you are merely trying to cook dinner, but if you take the battery out, just wait until a real fire comes.  I submit to you & the readers of opensource theology, that hyperpreterism is a REAL FIRE which will consume your faith & life just as it has so many others.  You should tell these hyperpreterists to pack their bags & stop trying to weasle their way into your lives.

And before someone comes & tries to make comparison of hyperpreterism to the Reformation as if the points of the Reformation were something completely unheard of, let it be known that the Reformers believed historic Christianity was on their side.  They appealed to it & even wrote many confessions & documents in defense of it.  Hyperpreterism MUST abandon historic Christianity.  For example, a main proponent of hyperpreterism, Ed Stevens, utilizing J.S. Russell’s book The Parousia attempts to insert a 1st century rapture, in this way he claims all true Christians were removed from the planet leaving only behind "second rank" Christians.  In this way, he tries to explain why no Christians immediately AFTER AD70 held to anything like hyperpreterism.  See, are hyperpreterists going to tell you about that? If you are only going to listen to the hyperpreterists then you are going to get a "closed-source" view on this topic.

Thanks for the opportunity to bring this forth,

In Christ & His Church,

 Roderick

www.thekingdomcome.com

What can an emerging theology learn from preterism? By: Andrew (32 replies) 4 September, 2008 - 13:51