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Contradictions in the Gospels: Problems or Opportunities?
Jacob:
Re: Contradictions in the Gospels: Problems or Opportunities?:
“So I don’t think there are two disconnected ways of understanding the NT - that of the academics, who have access to a ‘truer’ understanding of the texts, which...
Jacob:
Re: Contradictions in the Gospels: Problems or Opportunities?:
Yeah, I mean “forged” as in built or constructed an interpretation of some set of events—I don’t mean “forged” as in a forged dollar bill.
Thanks for...
peter wilkinson:
Re: Contradictions in the Gospels: Problems or Opportunities?:
Jacob - I guess you meant in the final line of your penultimate paragraph that ‘forged’ was as created as in a blacksmith’s forge, rather than a ‘forgery’, as in...
Day One: A Sir Toby's Creation Myth
john doyle:
Re: Day One: A Sir Toby's Creation Myth:
I’ve pretty well finished editing this book now, which stands at 35
thousand words. In it, as can be seen in the videos, the Sage proposes
that Genesis 1 is a description of a 7-day interval...
A Generous Orthdoxy - Brian McLaren
john doyle:
Re: A Generous Orthdoxy - Brian McLaren:
I see that Andrew has written as series of posts about McLaren’s new book on his P.OST blog. Inasmuch as he formerly wrote McLaren-based posts and commented on others’ evaluations of...
The Lost World of Genesis One - John H. Walton
john doyle:
Re: Some More General Thoughts:
“the spelling has been anglicised”
You mean “anglicized,” don’t you?
Sure, that sounds fine, but I’d like to see it formatted in book form —...
peter wilkinson:
Re: Some More General Thoughts:
John your contributions to the published volume of Sir Toby would be as presented on the OST website - except that the spelling has been anglicised. If you’re not happy with that, let me...
john doyle:
Re: Some More General Thoughts:
I expect that Walton and I were writing our books concurrently. Some of the rationales behind our conclusions are very similar (e.g., the meaning of bara’ and tohu, the importance of 24-hour...
peter wilkinson:
Re: Some More General Thoughts:
I enjoyed reading your comments, John. Nice that somebody has finally caught up with you at last, though a shame they got into print first.
I’m not quite sure what you mean by:...
john doyle:
Some More General Thoughts:
Walton’s interpretation of Genesis 1 is essentially covered in his Propositions 1 through 9; the remaining 9 propositions are more theological and even political than exegetical. It seems to...
john doyle:
Propositions 7-9: Temple:
Now we’re at the heart of Walton’s argument. If Genesis 1 isn’t about God making the material universe or giving form to it, and if Gen. 1 is about assigning functions to the stuff...
john doyle:
Propositions 3-6:
Proposition 3: “Create” Concerns Functions
Walton does a word study of bara’ which is translated as “create” Gen. 1. It’s long been recognized that God always...
john doyle:
Re: Proposition 2: Ancient Cosmology is Function Oriented:
Related to the distinction between what Walton calls material and functional ontology is Aristotle’s theory of causality. To cite the usually-helpful Wikipedia:
A thing’s material...
john doyle:
Proposition 2: Ancient Cosmology is Function Oriented:
On to chapter two…
Walton distinguishes between material ontology, where an object consists of its properties, and functional ontology, in which an object is defined by its uses or...
john doyle:
Re: Proposition 1: Gen. 1 is Ancient Cosmology:
“What’s interesting about Walton’s presentation…”
As I said in my first comment, Peter, I’m commenting on the book as I’m reading it. My most recent...
peter wilkinson:
Re: Proposition 1: Gen. 1 is Ancient Cosmology:
What’s interesting about Walton’s presentation is that while the Genesis creation account uses and works within the terms of ancient cosmology, and there’s no reason why it shouldn...
A non-believer's lament...
Tim:
Re: A non-believer's lament...:
Good question…
The entire jbas concept is, at root, an interpretation of joshua ben adam’s ‘kingdom’ of god teaching, focusing on the essence or spirit of jba...
Jacob:
Re: A non-believer's lament...:
Self-exclusion. “Here I stand, I can go no further.” I can go with that.
But who would this jbas sit in relation to? I’m guessing that jbas members can...
Tim:
Re: A non-believer's lament...:
Jacob, as I look back on it, “boundary-free” may have been too broad. Religious boundaries were the specific category I was aiming at. Bob may have been speaking more...
Jacob:
Re: A non-believer's lament...:
Can there be community without some boundaries? In other words, can there be an “I” without a “you,” a “we” without a “they,” an “us...
Tim:
Re: A non-believer's lament...:
Working uphill? Absolutely…
But yesterday. John, you and I seemed to agree that communities do exist whose basic orientation is a self-proclaimed “christian” one (…...
john doyle:
Re: A non-believer's lament...:
Jacob,
You’ll observe that I exchanged comments with you on your two pluralism posts, and I liked what you had to say. I’m not as interested in adopting your views as I am in finding a...
Jacob:
Re: A non-believer's lament...:
“An obstacle, however, is Jacob’s apparent reliance on cultural consensus. If a community of Christians intersubjectively agree that a nonbeliever like me is “out,”...
john doyle:
Re: A non-believer's lament...:
LOL — maybe I was unconsciously channeling Dawkins’ scientific fundamentalist persona. I’m almost surely more of a modernist in contrast to Jacob’s postmodernism, inasmuch as...
Tim:
Re: A non-believer's lament...:
As far as I can tell, there are no “wrong guys” when it comes to stuff like this; well except maybe a zealous fundy preacher here to win souls… :-)
i don’t recall if I...
john doyle:
Re: A non-believer's lament...:
“I thought I was going for some testimonials, or examples thereof, from
scientist/scholarly types whose worldview has maintained some sort of
‘faith’ in what we generally...
What is 'emerging church'?
CheryTen120:
Re: What is 'emerging church'?:
It is a very important way to love one another if we can listen without
condemnation and even better if we can listen and learn!
private practice season 3 episode 14
Sex before marriage?
davegs:
Re: Sex before marriage?:
You know i dont understand why couples dont try a marriage retreat before they start bringing up divorce it seems to be the easy way out without working to fix their problems.

Contradictions in the Gospels: Problems or Opportunities?
Day One: A Sir Toby's Creation Myth
A Generous Orthdoxy - Brian McLaren
The Lost World of Genesis One - John H. Walton