The spirit world and the physical are the same:
What is spirit?
Ex 35:31 And I Have filled Him with the Spirit of God in Wisdom, in Understanding and Knowledge
Now we know ,it’s Wisdom,Understanding and knowledge.Thus the creative spirit of God in us.
JN 6:63 the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.(Think of a magnet and the force of spirit)
Paul speaks of meeting someone in the spirit.II Cor. 12:2 I knew a man in “Wisdom, Understanding and Knowledge,” (the Spirit) above fourteen years ago. Whether in or out of the body I cannot tell.Don’t forget as you read what spirit is.Eph. 3:4 When you read you may understand my Knowledge in the mystery of “Christ.” A person with a powerful force behind his wisdom can leave a lasting impression.They can even seem as though they were in your head.
Luke.1:80 And the child grew,and waxed strong in spirit,(Wisdom understanding and knowledge)and was in the deserts till the day of his showing unto Israel.This scripture refers to jesus and he may have had such powers.
Paul goes onto say:I Cor. 3:1 I could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as to Carnal, even as unto babes in “Wisdom, Understanding and Knowledge.”In all the other letters of paul he states the difference between a person who is carnal and people who have given up such uncleanseness.A person during his time was very beastly and uneducated.But a person who had a foundation within himself and learned was a powerful person in words and deeds.
He states he could not speak unto them as unto his level but as unto babes in understanding.
Lets look at some more of Paul s writting and get a better understanding of christ.II Cor. 11:23 Are they ministers of “Wisdom, Understanding and Knowledge.” I speak as a fool I am more.Here we will note there were other people preaching christ as they understood it.But his concern was of people corrupting the gospel as he understood it,as the following shows.GAL 1:7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.When he says its not another hes saying consider the source and He goes on and says that they are not true friends..I Cor. 4:10 We are fools for “Understanding, Wisdom and Knowledge, but you are wise in Christ, we are weak, but you are strong, you are honourable, but we are dispised.”Or just people he wouldn’t want to hang around.And it seems they depised him.He had to reteach many people the way he saw it.Gal 4:19 My little children of whom I travail in birth again until “Wisdom, Understanding and Knowledge,” be formed in you again.He continues to say that people have been taught things but you can change nevertheless.Gal 3:27 For as many of you have been babtized into “Wisdom, Understanding and Knowledge,” have put on “Christ.”As today there are so many Christians.Eph. 3:8 ……The unsearchable riches of “Wisdom, Understanding and Knowledge.” So many different lives and people,so many different writings and teachings,1COR 14:26 How is it then, friends? when you come together, every one of you has a psalm, has a doctrine, has a language, has a inspiration, has an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying. He no doult had a hard time bringing the verious groups together.He tells us theres no difference between people besides the barriers of speach ect.He no doult had a hard time bringing the various groups together.He tells us theres no difference between people besides the barriers of speach ect.Col. 3:11 Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, Circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scyth’i-an, bond nor free: but is Christ ALL , and in ALL. Here with Christ is all and in all he states something the world over has stated :The spirit of God is not only in you but is all.. Here with Christ is all and in all he states something the world over has stated :The spirit of God is not only in you but is all.MT 9:17 Neither do men put new wine(Knowledge) into old bottles(Bodies): else the bottles break, and the wine runneth out, and the bottles perish: but they put new wine into new bottles, and both are preserved.Jesus not only tells us here that wisdom is in you but also wisdom made you,plus how we carry knowledge from one generation to the next.
.He no doult had a hard time bringing the verious groups together.He tells us theres no difference between people besides the barriers of speach ect.stated :.Now the next verse becomes clear.II Cor. 5:16 We don’t know now any man after the flesh(PEOPLES FEATURES,SHAPE SIZE AND COLORS OF THE RAINBOW FOR RACES), Although we have known Christ(The physical Races) after the flesh, yet now we know him no more.Further more he states:II Cor. 10:7 Do you look on things after the outward appearance? If any man trust to himself that He is Christ’s, let him of himself think this again, that, as he Is Christ’s, even so are we Christ’s.Campared with matt 11:19 But wisdom is justified of all her children.Paul tells us more about this topic.Gal 3:24 The Law was our Schoolmaster to bring us unto “Wisdom, Understanding and Knowledge.”The law told us what sin was and is ,but little is covered about why.Also people have forgotten about it .Why shouldn’t you kill, steal, sleep with your friends wife.PROV 31:5 Lest they drink, and forget the law, and pervert the judgment of any of the afflicted.
Re: Genesis 1 as "True Myth": 5 Possibilities
Freespirit,
you seem to be an enthusiastic monist, but i’m afraid that to find your take convincing would require a much more detailed demonstration from the creation accounts themselves rather than a scattering of fascinating (but unrelated in time, authorship and culture) prooftexts…
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Re: Genesis 1 as "True Myth": 5 Possibilities
freespirit, I agree in many ways with your statement - “The spirit world and the physical are the same” BUT the fastest path to making yourself look bad is to pile on dozens of scripture references taken out of context. It smells like the tactics of fundametalists to start spouting scripture references and trying to link them together to make a case. I’m also not even sure how that post relates to the topic or why you posted it in reply to my comment.
I think you are correct to disect the word “spirit” and I suspect that modern people often make the mistake of confusing the different ways spirit is used throughout scripture which is sometimes meant to mean things of another “realm” and sometimes meant to be man’s character/attitude and sometimes meant to be logos (reason/logic). But you’ve made a mistake in my mind by pulling in quotes from people that likely used it in different context.
Most of those references are from Paul (or in Paul’s name) so it is safe to tie them together and assume that the author had the same understanding of spirit behind each use (maybe). But something different is likely meant in Exodus and Genesis. I don’t think you can assume ancient Israels understanding that is captured in the OT five centuries or more before the NT was anything like the more Greek and Roman influenced world in Paul’s day. I think that the author(s) of Genesis created a myth and I also think that the audience over centuries DID actually believe the myth to be true. I also think that even Paul may have seen the myths are reality. I’m certain that many in his day took it literally but I’m also certain that many did not. I think if you are going to bring Paul into the debate then it opens up a whole can of worms because we have to not only think about how we understand Genesis, but we have to try and understand how Paul understood it.
Re: reading from inside the story
A wiseman sees in everything hes exposed to as a chance to increase his knowledge.
Whoever wrote Gen 1 could only write what he was inspired to write .
JOB 32:8 is how God talks to people like moses.
So we should not confine ourselves to just Gen 1 to understand it.
For instance:
Here we are to look at Egyptian Scrolls and history .Because this is where he became inspired.
Furthermore just how pure is the Bible,that is from different books being added and some rejected.Plus let alone translation of it.
Something of interest.The writer (s) of proverbs may have been thinking the same thing when they wrote the following.Because many times impure or not spiritual heatlthy people had thier hands in the making of the bible.
Proverbs 30
Is this a key?They where very guarding of the history and the truth,you will notice the gaps in scripture.So my point is we may never know if we have it in its entirety.When I think of the library of Alexander burning it makes my heart faint.
Lifted up
Samples there is more
GEN 13:10; GEN 22:4; GEN 22:13; GEN 24:63; GEN 24:64; GEN 27:38; EX 7:20; EX 14:10; LEV 9:22; NUM 14:1; NUM 20:11; DEUT 8:14; DEUT 17:20
Lift up Is a common theme in Gen but it becomes less
GEN 7:17; GEN 14:22; GEN 18:2; EX 20:25; NUM 6:26; NUM 23:24; DEUT 3:27
New testament Lifted upLK 13:11; LK 16:23; LK 18:13; LK 21:28; HEB 12:12
Lifted up
MT 17:8; LK 6:20; JN 3:14; JN 8:28; ACTS 2:14; 1TIM 3:6
I myself believe this
PI 3.15 math
Math is the hidden Knowledge of the Bible.And Pi is so important.
Pythagoras and his followers made no distinction between music, mathematics and magic.magic and music, for example, were found to be based upon mathematical laws (albeit, sometimes very subtle ones). Furthermore, everything in the universe followed these mathematical laws and the universe was created out of the geometrical relationships of the numbers, and thus constituted the true basis of reality. Which says a lot
Pythagoras believed that each number was holy and had its own powers. One was the indivisible monad, creating everything out of itself. Two was the pure duality, perfect balance between opposites. Three was the number of the gods, while four was the number of the material world (hence the four elements). And so on.
The reason Iam adding all this is because, just perhaps there is a common thread to all religion.
reading from inside the story
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