I have a co-worker that I talk to quite a bit while at work. He has very little intellectual curiosty. He drinks his beers, listens to his music and chases his women. He’s from a religious upbringing and was raised in a Baptist home. He has strong opinions about things, but his opinions are mostly inherited or intuitive and he can’t really defend them or articulate them in any depth. I know God has gifted us in different ways, but this friend just simply has no interest in looking at anything more deeply.
For the past few months, I’ve gotten more and more into the questions about God, existence, after-life, etc. I too was raised in a Baptist/religious home. My dad is a Baptist preacher. I basically did the typical backsliding for many, many years, but always kept the love of God in my mind and would sometimes make small steps toward his love. As events occur in my life and I get into my early 40’s, I’m seeing how vain worldly pursuits are and how important eternity truly is. I’ve really gotten into reading and listening to debates by Christian Apologists, as well as more secular debates about morality, ethics, economics, etc. I crave the truth.
As I become exposed to the intellectual battlegrounds and conversations surrounding the ‘big questions’, I can’t help but carry that over into my personal life. Well, last night I was telling my co-worker about the biblical interpretations I’d read on this site and others. I’ll paraphrase here, BIG time, but he basically said, “You don’t believe that crap do you? Isn’t it wrong to just keep digging like that and come up with all kinds of crazy stuff? What’s your daddy believe? What would he say about all that crazy stuff you’ve been reading?”
Please don’t try to dissect exactly what he said. I’m not really too concerned with him specifically, not in the context of your comments. Although I was a bit peeved (to say the least) by his total lack of interest in God, it did make me think. Is it dangerous to read the bible or to concern yourself with God? Does it hurt or help your chances of going to heaven or avoiding hell when compared to simply believing church leaders or what you were raised to believe? I know there are many that are born into a family that’s Godless, etc., but if you simply looked at it statistically, does the individual pursuit of biblical truth result in more people going to heaven or does it cause more to go astray?
I’ve heard something about people being more accountable based on their exposure to truth or based upon their knowledge. When you read the bible in-depth, are you losing any mitigation that ignorance might offer you in the day of judgement? I know the Catholic church, for example, has been around for many, many years and is filled with learned men, seeking the truth of the bible, of God. Are these men more likely to find the truth and lead other to it by proxy versus millions of individuals pursuing it themselves? I know it’s more complicated than that, but I’m trying to get across to you the basic idea.
Is there a net gain (starkest measurement is: % going to heaven) if people try interpretting the bible individually? and to what extent do they try to understand it?
Is a person more likely to be lucky and be born into the right faith versus attempting to find the right faith for themselves?
Why is it some men will misinterpret the bible when they’re supposedly seeking the truth?
Should we simply have a basic understanding and just believe what church leaders tell us, esp. more established churches?
How much bad interpretation will God allow, before it becomes a real threat to your salvation?
Can theology become a vice, kind of like legalism? I mean, would it be better for one’s relationship with God if he spent more time helping his neighbor and having real world experiences versus sitting at a desk ‘theologizing’?
More personally…
I really want to go to heaven. I REALLY want to avoid hell. If hell is real and if hell is eternal torment, I just can’t believe your typical Christian believes it, even if they say they do. If people TRULY believed there was an eternal, tormenting hell, we’d see MANY more people living holy. What are the priorities I should set for such a goal? I’ve asked God to save me and I believe he has, but the risk of hell is an EXTREME concern. What else should I do to help my chances? I ask in this peculiar way because I want to cut to the chase. Lastly, what’s the best way to find self-deception? Sorry for my pedestrian manner.

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I’m fairly sure Jesus didn’t talk about getting into heaven in terms of getting the right exam marks, ticking the right boxes, or getting your percentage high enough. He talked about love and grace instead - and subverted the system of the law rather than to try and create a whole new hierarchy. So I’m quite sure that trying to use percentages and grades to inform your reflection isn’t especially helpful.
Having said that, I understand where you are coming from - why choose an opinion of my own when I have other more learned, wiser men who can choose one for me? Perhaps because one of God’s principle creations was free will - the ability to think for ourselves and to develop our own viewpoints. What if by exploring faith and belief for ourselves, by ensuring our faith is reasoned out and sits well with us - even if it doesn’t sit the same way with others - what if by doing these things we are actually truly living life to the full (as Jesus puts it in John 10:10) - living the way the maker intended us to live. To choose him - not because it’s forced on us by others, but because it’s what we’ve chosen.
Just a thought. Anyway, I would encourage you to keep going, keep searching, and keep your focus on God as you try to broaden your understanding of him :-).
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On a personal note, I’m fairly fixated with the idea of an eternal hell. (My fixation has diminished recently) I truly believe I had a personal encounter w/ God a few weeks ago and I feel so transformed! It’s amazing the peace I feel. But I still know that man is filled with errors and ignorance. I know that I make mistakes. If one such mistake could result in eternal damnation…what a price to pay! I don’t say that with a burning resentment, but emphatically - the enormity! I wish with every fiber of my being that hell is not a place of eternal torment. But I also know that ‘what is’ doesn’t depend on my ‘what I want’. I know that there is potential here for self-deception. How can I pursue the truth of hell unbiasedly, when I have such a STRONG desire for it’s non-existence (as a place of ETERNAL torment)? Is my human psychology holding too much sway?
This pursuit of understanding hell will of course be in the larger context of the pursuit of understanding God’s will. Part of my pursuit of this understanding is to meditate and study, but another part SHOULD be - living it. I very much like staying to myself. What are some things I can do to help me cope with human interaction and develop a greater love for my neighbor? I’m asking for practical steps that involve my becoming physically integrated in the lives of others. I’ve also never prayed in public. I wish to share my relationship w/ God (in an unoffensive, natural way) but really need to develop some skills/confidence. Other than studying further, is there a suggestion someone can make? I would like to gain control over my desire to live inside myself and move more of my living to the external world, if that makes sense.
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I’m not sure if reading the Bible is dangerous, but I do think that bringing the word to flesh or putting the word into action can be dangerous, especially for religious and political elite that rationalize, wrangle and manage God.
Very - dangerous characters lurke therein...
I do think that reading the bible can be very dangerous indeed. My life changed when this character suddenly walked out of the pages of the gospel of John, and I haven’t been able to get my old equilibrium back even a few decades down the road!
Live to serve : Serve to live
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But how much should we rely on our own interpretation compared to that of someone else’s?
I’m not Catholic and I find their worship customs and some of their beliefs to be a bit unusual, but their belief that the Church is at least equal to scripture and that private interpretation should ultimately be subordinate to the church, has a ring of truth to it. I must say, it has a very strong ring to it. I don’t think this means you should simply divorce yourself of any reasoning over the scripture. Simply understanding the Church’s interpretation requires a lot of thought.
Also, I can definitely see people using this type of hierarchy as a crutch and as a way to rationalize their lack of passion for studying the Word (and showing themselves approved). “Hey, why should I wrack my brain over all this stuff and risk getting it wrong when the guys at the Church already got it all figured out?” Of course, someone that has an attitude like this should question the sincerity of his relationship with God.
Not to demean something Holy, but we do recognize divisions of labor in society. Certain men are compensated by working in a plant 50 or 60 hrs a week while others may have that many hrs to devote to contemplation. If you heap onto this time ‘advantage’ an intellectual advantage as well, you can see the logic of authoritarian interpretation. Of course, determining truth is not as formulaic as my statement implies. What’s in the heart is the great variable.
There’s obviously SOME room for authority in interpretation. If I tried to interpret the actual, original manuscript and had NO ONE else to rely on for guidance or enlightenment of any sort (including oral assistance), I would venture to say that I would have never known of a Jesus or a God of Abraham.
So, where do we draw the line between or around authority and private interpretation? Is this question also up for interpretation? I’m VERY interested in the Catholic Church and will look into their comments as well.
What’s so weird about all this is how strong my anti-authoritarian bent is. I’m very sympathetic toward the ideas of Anarchism, Libertarianism, Austrian Economics, etc. But I also feel that reason is only useful w/i the realm of an absolute, one that can be invented or appealed to, e.g., presuppositions, axioms, premises, world views, etc. If you’re solely dependent upon reason you run into all sorts of contradictions and paradoxes. Some mysterious mechanism has to first place reason within proper constructs that will enable one to reap the benefits of reason’s power, a sort of super-reason.
A seemingly great source of enlightenment for me is Christian apologetics. I know it’s highly questionable whether one can ‘prove’ God’s existence rationally (though it proves it to me), but the mere endeavour helps me define or clarify my most basic thoughts and helps me to see that the most simplistic assumptions can be the deepest. It’s like the more you strive for simplicity the more you discover complexity.
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Hey - is this Christopher Hitchens??
Just kidding.
Faith probably has nothing to do with Proof but I guess on some level you have to make a choice whether or not you require proof or not. If you require proof then faith is not going to work for you.
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Well, faith certainly doesnt exist in a vacuum. There are many things at work. From the evidence I’ve been exposed to, including that found by inductive and deductive reasoning, has been enough to ME to serve as ‘proof’. Now how far this proof takes you, insofar as willingness to accept it or not, I think probably depends on something that’s more problematic for our limited minds. A poor, limited metaphor, but I feel as though my soul, spirit, will or what have you, is like a judge. I see the evidence that my reasoning brings and I decide to judge it as true or false. Of course, this metaphor excludes consideration of the ‘society’ that empowers this court, the ‘lawyers’ presenting the evidence, the ‘charges’, the ‘sentencing’, ad infinitum. I see these things, such as ‘societies’ and ‘lawyers’ as parts of myself, reasoning within myself, withing myself, within myself, within myself…
I found a somewhat interesting dialogue between Catholics and Protestants. It may be fictitious, I don’t know, but here’s the link:
http://www.carm.org/dialogues/cath_interpret.htm
I’d like to comment on this point from the dialogue:
Matt: First, get on your knees. Pray to Jesus. Ask him to reveal the truth to you… Read HIS word. Subject yourself to IT. Because it is His voice. Look…. I am pointing you to HIM, not a church…. A church doesn’t save. Jesus does.
Matt is advocating so-called, sola scripture. What about the Church being the Body of Christ? I know this depends upon one’s interpretation of ‘the Church’, but doesn’t it seem to exalt ‘the Church’ to a pretty high level?!? Yes, you can posit the Church as being a spiritual entity, but shouldn’t there also be a more coherent existence as well, in a physical or even dogmatic sense?
Do our misinterpretations only represent our unique relationships with the truth, but nonetheless a relationship or kinship? Or are any and all misinterpretations heresies? It would seem that a ‘truth’ closest to the truth but missing the mark could be the most deadly kind of mistake. It would be like using the power of the truth to bring man to a lie.
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Actually I think you are wrong. Faith does exist in a vacuum. Religion exists in a vacuum. The vacuum is the bible. Look at the end of the dialogue you presented
“I firmly believe that the Bible is where we should be looking for spiritual truth and not the traditions of men.”
That is the problem - take exodus 20:2-20:17:
2 I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery; 3you shall have no other gods before* me.
4 You shall not make for yourself an idol, whether in the form of anything that is in heaven above, or that is on the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. 5You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, punishing children for the iniquity of parents, to the third and the fourth generation of those who reject me, 6but showing steadfast love to the thousandth generation* of those who love me and keep my commandments.
If that is indeed THE TRUTH then there could be no-one after him to worship. What the traditions of men have done in this case was to amend “the word of G-d” with The New Testament so that they could overlook the first commandment. If they did not do so - to worship or pray to anyone but G-D would be to break the first commandment.
The vacuum is its own truth.
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I was searching for theologians’ opinions on the best study bibles and came across an interesting article. I like the comment it makes about reading the ‘white’:
http://www.tentmaker.org/Biblematters/bestbibletranslation.htm
What do you guys think about Young’s Literal Translation of the Bible? I read several verses in it (and others’ opinions) and it sounds VERY interesting.
For sale at Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_/102-1116297-2493757?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=young%27s+literal+translation
Here’s a short Wiki article on Mr. Young: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Young_%28Biblical_scholar%29
Wiki article on his bible: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Young%27s_Literal_Translation
Here’s the actual Young’s Literal Translation at BibleGateway: http://www.biblegateway.com/versions/index.php?action=getVersionInfo&vid=15
My dad got me Thompson Chain Reference Study Bible (NIV version) for Christmas. Anyone like this study bible?
Thanks!