More than just made
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Traditional theology tends to honour the incomprehensible as if it were much to be preferred to that which is clear. Unless there is a mystery or a paradox involved, it is not true religion and we have been somehow short changed. Romans chapter one is no less like this, as I have recently discovered. In Rom. 1:20 we are told that ever since creation, people have been able to understand God’s eternal nature, his invisible qualities, by virtue of looking at what is visible. Cranfield in his Commentary on Romans also seems to jump on the bandwagon by assuming that Paul intends a paradox here. He doesn’t of course explain the paradox and merely assumes that everybody will know exactly what he means (understandably of course, given nearly two thousand years of such interpretation). A moment’s thought is enough, though, to suggest not so much a paradox as an outright contradiction in terms, a logical impossibility. Well, sorry, but I really don’t know what that means and neither apparently do the countless millions of unbelievers who have been told by countless millions of Christians that they have no excuse not to believe in God. It is obviously illogical as any atheist will tell you. It also contradicts the ethic Paul explicitly affirms a few verses later in Rom. 2:1 in which he reprimands all those who judge (and after all, isn’t this a form of judgement of others?) Perhaps most embarrassingly it is in direct conflict with what Paul says in 1:17 where God’s judgement in the Gospel is revealed altogether by faith. Lastly, there is 2:15 where, far from being without excuse, some Gentiles demonstrate that God’s law is written on their hearts. Above all, however, this passage is used by so many Christians because it is easy to believe. It is easy to believe because it justifies the believer at the expense of all non-believers. It gives rise to a Christianity which is fundamentally no different from any other proselytising religion, Islam included. It makes the believer feel inwardly right and able to look down upon all those who don’t believe and the sad thing is that while he goes on with his evangelism, with his interfering in the laws and customs of his culture, convinced of his rightness and of the need that all others have of his message, he is the only person who cannot see how stupid he is. I’d like to propose a new (I think) interpretation of this passage based on the meaning of τοις ποιημασιν which is taken in all the translations I have read in the same context as κτισεως κοσμου, i.e. from the creation of the world… the things he has made (created). That’s because a) the theological presupposition is always there and b) because ποιημασιν is from the root word poieo, to do or to make. Hence poiema = thing made. However, the use of the word poiema does not justify that. From classical ancient Greek to modern Greek, the word has simply meant a poem or a work of art. So it seems to me that something more than just ‘thing made’ is called for in this passage, something more specific. The only other use of the word I can find in Paul is in Ephesians 2:10: αυτου γαρ εσμεν ποιημα - for we are his handiwork… This seems more correct as a translation, given Greek usage, not "We are his thing made" or "We are made by him". And of course the context is anything but a reference to the creation of the world. But in Romans 1:20, is Paul merely using poiema in conjunction with κτισεως, i.e. as a poetic way of describing the creation of the world? I don’t think so, because there is obviously a special emphasis in the use of the phrase τοις ποιημασιν νοουμενα. In other words, something has to be thought through or perceived in order to see the invisible things of God. The invisible things are not simply visible in creation; there has to be a νοουμενα. Thus: 20 τα γαρ αορατα αυτου απο κτισεως κοσμου
τοις ποιημασιν νοουμενα
καθοραται
η τε αιδιος αυτου δυναμις και θειοτης
εις το ειναι αυτους αναπολογητους
What then is this handiwork or poem, that men should consider and thus see God’s invisible attributes, and who are the people who are without excuse? To answer this, we need only go back to Paul’s introduction where he states his desire to preach the Gospel in Rome, “for (Rom 1:16) it is the power of God to salvation to all who believe, both to Jew first and to Greek”. His subject, therefore, is the Gospel. He then goes on to say in 17 that God’s righteousness is revealed in it. It is surely in the verses that follow that Paul explains how God’s righteousness is revealed in the Gospel. Not how his righteousness is revealed in creation. Poiema therefore in this context means the Gospel itself, the life, works, teachings, death and resurrection of Jesus and the resurrection lives of his followers. This is God’s artwork, his specially crafted poem (see Eph 2:10 quoted above as an example) and which displays his nature that had been invisible since the creation of the world. It is the preaching of the Gospel that leaves unbelievers without excuse, not the mere observation of the created world (or else why would Paul need to state in chapter 10 the need for preaching?) The power of the Gospel, apart from its ability to change lives, is that it resolves any uncertainty as to a person’s spiritual stance such that both faith and unbelief are clarified – like the field in Jesus’s parable, where the weeds had to wait until harvest to be distinguished from the wheat and eventually burned. This interpretation also makes much better sense of Rom 2:1, which the commentators don’t really know how to take. Paul comes in with a big “Therefore” but no one seems to have a grasp of why the fact that unbelievers are without excuse leads to an exhortation not to judge. Yet in the light described above, the message is quite clear: “You, the saved, have already heard the Gospel and have been set free from judgement, therefore you of all people should not be judging others because when you do judge, it is because you are not righteous yourselves.” This is the kernel of an idea and indeed there are certainly some objections to it. Perhaps we can develop it together? |
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Re: More than just made
Well, sorry, but I really don’t know what that means and neither apparently do the countless millions of unbelievers who have been told by countless millions of Christians that they have no excuse not to believe in God.
My understanding has always been that the issue here is not whether God exists or whether it is logical to believe in him. I quite agree with you that the existence of God is not self-evident from the things that have been made - indeed, you make the point very well. But what Paul is talking about, surely, is the nature of God: the ‘visible’ things that have been made reveal something of, help us to understand or grasp, the ‘unseen things’ of God, namely his ‘everlasting power and deity’ - in other words, that he cannot be adequately represented by manufactured objects. Those who worship idols are without excuse because ‘although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him’ (1:21 ESV).
So Paul is not addressing the (modern) reader who denies that God exists. He is addressing - consistent with a traditional Jewish critique of idolatry - the ancient reader who has ‘exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles’ (1:23).
However, the question of whether tois poiēmasin refers to created reality as such remains an interesting one and I think you may be right to raise doubts about the traditional understanding. Behind Ephesians 2:10 is probably Isaiah 29:16 LXX: ‘Shall the thing formed (to poiēma) say to him that formed it…?’ But Psalm 142:5 LXX (cf. 92:4 LXX) may be more relevant: ‘I remembered the days of old; and I meditated on all your doings: I meditated on the works (poiēmasin) of your hands’. Here the word refers not to created things but to what YHWH has done in the past, not least in delivering his people from their enemies.
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…if Paul’s message is that those who knew god existed but refused to recognise his divine attributes are without excuse, then this says nothing about those who had no belief in god at all.
I don’t think we should demand too much from Paul’s argument - he develops it within a limited space and for a limited purpose. There are always going to be gaps and inconsistencies.
But I would also suggest that it is a mistake in any case to suppose that he is constructing a universal argument that is meant to cover all possible situations. Why not just accept the fact that he is addressing specifically the failings of Greek-Roman paganism? My view is that when he speaks of the wrath of God coming upon pagan world he has in mind not a universal judgment but judgment specifically on ancient paganism, not least as it opposed the church. God will bring this whole system, characterized in Paul’s mind by the link between idolatry and immorality, to an end.
He does not attempt to answer our rather different modern questions about the rational grounds for believing in God.
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Perhaps I am missing something, but doesn’t the LXX use the verbal form of poiema when referring to creation in Genesis 1:1 "ἐν ἀρχῇ ἐποίησεν ὁ θεὸς τὸν οὐρανὸν καὶ τὴν γῆν"? I agree with your main argument (that we should not be content to relegate contradictions to mystery whenever we experience a contradiction. But I am not troubled by the fact that I may not understand the point Paul was trying to make. I would also not be troubled to discover that Paul argued from a limited cultural perspective (and may not have taken the cultural experience of others into account). But his worldview was more closely related to the pagans he proclaimed the Gospel to, than it is to ours. The modern phenomenon of atheism, and our materialistic assumptions about the universe move us pretty far off the map. I believe he is referring to the invisible God and his attributes as creator - in contrast to the gods we create ourselves. I believe he is saying that the Gentiles were perfectly capable of calling out to an “unknown God” but substituted the works (which they knew) were of their own hands and imaginations.
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Desert Reign, that’s a fascinating reading of a passage that I also suspect that we often take too much for granted.
Poesis is a very common word, but it certainly has a range of meanings and uses. I am somewhat reminded of Jesus "do this" from the final passover and have sometimes wondered whether he was not enjoining something even more radical than just drinking wine or breaking bread together "in remembrance".
I have a slightly different theory on Rom 1-2 based on the rhetorical flow of Paul’s argument and that has been critiqued by Andrew and Peter before here at OST.
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I have given some further thought to your post, and in light of recent comments in this post, I am warming to your position. you state
Upon reflection, and after considering some of the comments to my original post, I think rather than be specific about ποίημα referring to the Gospel, I would translate it as "special works" hence ‘what are invisible in his nature from the creation of the world become visible when considered through his special works.’ That leaves open whether this is a specifically Israel related thing or not.
I believe this is an improvement upon your initial argument. Because the Gospel (which chronologically has its origins in the first century) would not leave humanity "without excuse," if the expression "from the foundation of the world" refers to the creation. The "special works" of God however, while concentrated in Israel, are not specific to Israel. God has acted in gentile history - whether they were aware of it or not.
Karl Barth’s rejection of natural theology and teleological arguments for the existance of God, were the basis of his insistance on humanity’s need for "special revelation" in order to have knowledge of the true God.
Also, I am in full agreement with your comment on 2:14. You rightly locate this statment at the center of the Jewish and Gentile conflict in the early church. This was the first major issue facing the church of the day. It is prevelant in the NT. Does a gentile need to accept the Law (become Jewish) in order to be saved. Paul is not saying that the Jews need the Law and the Gentiles do not. But rather, that the evidence of the Gentiles obedience to the Law which they have hertofore not known (i.e. a new character) - is the sign that God has accepted them. Similar to the sign of tongues with Cornelius (Acts 10). Like you, I have not found any commentators who favor this interpretation. However Sholem Asch, in his novel The Apostle (about the life of Paul), does have this view. Being Jewish himself, I really value his portrayal of Paul. It is an excellent book.
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Sorry for the (katabole/ktisis)confusion. I was quoting the passage from memory, and miss quoted.
I believe that the verses in chapter one makes a charge of liability, on the part of humanity - which (for the most part?) has responded to the special revelation of God with the illigigimate response of idolatry. Instead of saying the invisible God did this, they have fashioned a god from their own hands and minds and gave it the credit. So their minds are darkened because they are moving away from pursuit of the unknown (true).
I believe that the verses in chapter four attempt to silence the claims of the Judaisers. By arguing that it is obedience to the Law and not knowledge of it, which is the sign of the people of God. Therefore, if the Gentiles do by their (new) nature, that which is required of the Law - they do not need to take on the burden of the Mosaic Law to be complete members of the body.
I believe it would be helpful for the sake of discussion, to make three categories: Jews, Gentiles, and Proselytes, because chapter one is dealing with a different issue than chapter four. Distinguishing between Proselytes (Gentiles who are seeking the true God ch4), and Gentiles in general (who have made idols for themselves ch 1) will keep the two from getting confused.
Regarding your last comment on the canal project; I am extremely frustrated when I see how theological presuppositions have historically caused Christians to reject genuine good and in many cases persue evil. I believe I would like to start a discussion in this regard.
Grace and Peace,
Mike
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This was the first major issue facing the church of the day. It is prevelant in the NT. Does a gentile need to accept the Law (become Jewish) in order to be saved. Paul is not saying that the Jews need the Law and the Gentiles do not. But rather, that the evidence of the Gentiles obedience to the Law which they have hertofore not known (i.e. a new character) - is the sign that God has accepted them. Similar to the sign of tongues with Cornelius (Acts 10). Like you, I have not found any commentators who favor this interpretation.
Not simply the first major issue, I would argue, but the defining issue. Circumcision was the definitive sign of entry into the covenant. The issue of whether or not (or, in fact, how) Gentiles were to observe God’s Torah (meaning "Teaching," "Instruction," not "Law" as we understand it today) was effectively asking the question: How do Gentiles enter the covenant relationship and the covenant community?
Paul declares that, through Messiah’s death, Gentiles, formerly without hope, formerly outside the scope of the covenant faithfulness of God, have now been brought near to God; brought into covenant relationship through the Messiah, alongside the Jews—yet without becoming Jewish converts.
How could this be? How, in terms of covenant—the governing paradigm of Jewish worldview and mainstay of their relationship with Adonai—could Gentiles be incorporated? Were the Gentiles to form a second covenant group? Were they to become circumcised, to become Jewish proselytes?
These were the kind of questions that immediately rose within the minds of first-century Jews and those who understood their Torah-dominated culture. Paul continues with his explanation, employing two key Hebraic terms to describe what has occurred through the Messiah’s death:
[The Messiah] himself is our shalom—he has made us both one and has broken down the m’chitzah which divided us, by destroying in his own body the enmity occasioned by the Torah, with it’s commands set forth in the form of ordinances.
The argument continues that through the new covenant and "a new commandment" — which is really not new, as the apostle John writes (1 John 2.7 / Matthew 22.37) — which elevates love and fellowship, shalom and the reality of the broken-down m’chitzah above all other Torah commands, so that whether one is a Torah-observant Jew (as to an individual they were within the early church) or a Gentile Follower of the Way, unity was a practical and spiritual reality shown "by the love you have for one another."
The Torah to which all are required to submit, the Torah which the Spirit writes upon human hearts (Jeremiah 31.31/Hebrews 10.16) is "the Torah of the Messiah" — a transformation of Torah, brough about by the Messiah and enlarged upon by the apostolic teaching:
With those who live outside the framework of Torah, I put myself in a position of someone outside of Torah in order to win those outside the Torah—although I myself am not outside of God’s Torah but within the framework of Torah as upheld by the Messiah.
…The whole of the Torah is summed up in this one sentence: “Love your neighbour as yourself”…Bear with one another’s burdens—in this way you will be fulfilling the Torah’s true meaning which the Messiah upholds.
[1 Corinthians 9.21, Galatians 5.4 & 6.2]
These translations are from the Complete Jewish Bible. The arguments above were developed within and extracted from my recent Thesis (The Eternal Purpose of God, A Biblical Theology of Covenant, Creation and Community) and incorporate inportant aspects from the commentary of Dr David Stern (The Jewish New Testament Commentary), both of which are sympathetic to the concept that the New Testament did not abrogate Torah, but transformed it through the Messiah, the New Covenant and the Breath of God, breathed upon and into the New Covenant Community.
Forgive me if I’ve misunderstood this aspect of your post, not least because it is not about the main thrust of your argument, however I thought you might appreciate this contribution, in light of your comments about the ‘lack of commentators…’ etc.
shalom! - john (eternalpurpose.org.uk)
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Freedom from…, freedom to…
I quoted from the CJB, regarding "the Torah of the Messiah," which i identified as "Torah as upheld by the Messiah," and as Torah as "Teaching"or "Instruction" rather than ‘law’ as we understand it today. Look at Psalm 119 for a sense of relationship with God’s Torah that is about the freedom to embrace, to love, to obey God’s instructions, his teaching, to follow his leadership.
The point is that the Spirit sets us free from the wrong kind of relationship with God’s Teaching, from one that distorts it into a legalistic framework, which leads to bondage and death. He makes us free to follow him, from the heart, from the depth of our inner beings, not simply with the outer actions, with the Torah of the Messiah and the Spirit or Breath of God working together to lead us into all the Truth.
shalom! - john (eternalpurpose.org.uk)
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