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One important reason that objective monotheism is a bad idea; or, How to respond to a philosophical realist/atheist in the blogosphere

Ed Yong at the blog, Not Exactly Rocket Science, discusses a recent study:

For many religious people, the popular question “What would Jesus do?” is essentially the same as “What would I do?” That’s the message from an intriguing and controversial new study by Nicholas Epley from the University of Chicago. Through a combination of surveys, psychological manipulation and brain-scanning, he has found that when religious Americans try to infer the will of God, they mainly draw on their own personal beliefs.

Psychological studies have found that people are always a tad egocentric when considering other people’s mindsets. They use their own beliefs as a starting point, which colours their final conclusions. Epley found that the same process happens, and then some, when people try and divine the mind of God. Their opinions on God’s attitudes on important social issues closely mirror their own beliefs. If their own attitudes change, so do their perceptions of what God thinks. They even use the same parts of their brain when considering God’s will and their own opinions.

The source of Ed Yong’s criticism centers on the presumption that God and his mind are objective, human-independent objects that can be more or less accurately inferred by faithful seekers. Yong says that the study found that different people in different places and from different communities “divine the mind of God” differently. Yong interprets these findings in negative terms and so do other commentators.

The variation in divinations of God’s mind was described by PZ Myers, a professor of biology, active blogger, and self-described atheist in these terms:

In tests that asked people what god’s opinion of various matters was, the unsurprising discovery was that it was the same as the individual’s opinion — and of course every person’s opinion was different. You’d expect some consistency if they were all hearing god’s word, you would think!

Would you think? Not necessarily. What if your faith in God was not susceptible to this criticism?

Don Cupitt offers an alternative to an objectivist theology. In his words:

Religion requires a peculiarly complete inner transformation of human nature which cannot be brought about from outside. No external pressure upon us can make us completely disinterested…. No, the power that brings my inner transformation must be fully internalized until it springs up at the very source of my own affections and will. Hence it was said that the law written on stone tablets must be changed for a law written directly in our hearts, that our hearts of stone must be changed for hearts of flesh, that we must be circumcised inwardly and that God must put is spirit into our hearts. In the New Testament it is claimed that these promises and hopes are at last fulfilled….

If there is a way to achieve this, then God and the human individual are no longer to be thought of as two beings in opposition. God indwells the believer, enlightening his understanding, kindling his affections and enabling his will…. God’s spirit enters the believer so intimately that it is the divine spirit that prays within him. The love with which the believer loves God has become identical with the love God has for the believer. I and thou are no longer numerically two but a kind of resonating one (5-6).

Because God indwells in different people living in different places and among different communities, Cupitt says that “God is inevitably thought of in different ways in different cultural settings” (39). To put this a bit differently, variation in how people understand their relationship to God and variation in how people act in the name of God should be expected. Variation in discernment is not necessarily an indication of or warrant for the “sock puppet” criticism; just the opposite, variation should be a puzzle for PZ Meyers to explain (and not explain away with a clichéd reference to manipulative individuals).

Since there are no objective limits, are all discernments of God equal? Are all interpretations possible? Are there no limits?

Even with no objective God, there are limits. Not all interpretations of God’s spirit in one’s everyday life can be accepted by all faithful communities and all faithful individuals. People draw limits and they act in the name of God—just as a number of supporters did when they signed The Manhattan Declaration, just as Dietrich Bonheoffer resisted the Nazis, just as Martin Luther King spoke against the Vietnam War and in support of civil rights, etc, etc, etc… These limits are not objective. Rather, these limits are made and sustained through the work of combinations of people joining together—like when US Representative Patrick Kennedy was excluded from communion in Rhode Island because of the decision by Roman Catholic Bishop Thomas Tobin.

*Don Cupitt, Taking Leave of God. London: SCM, 2001.

 

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Jacob - I may be misunderstanding some of the issues you have interestingly flagged up here, but I had a number of questions which immediately came to mind about the studies of Nicholas Epley and P.Z. Myers, and I wouldn’t personally automatically turn to Don Cupitt for balanced contributions on the objective/subjective nature of God - though what he says in your extract seems to be very sensible, and surprisingly orthodox.

I had initial questions about the control of the sample which Epley took for his survey. It is described, broadly, as the views of what he terms ‘American Christians’, taken in somewhat random contexts. But that could be about as useful as when people in this country use the term ‘C. of E.’ to describe their church or religious affiliation. It could mean almost anything on the spectrum of faith - from some faith to no faith at all.

I also had questions about the finding that what people believed God to be saying corresponded with their own previously held personal opinions. How do we then know that their personal opinions had not also been influenced by God’s opinion?

Also, I’d have thought what is mentioned almost as an afterthought was rather crucial: that people of faith may also, besides their subjective opinions on a subject, be influenced by prayer and their sacred texts. I’d have thought it highly likely that prayer or sacred texts might lead a person to change from one viewpoint, however strongly felt, to another. Just as John Newton was persuaded that the slave trade was evil some time after he had come to faith, despite the biblically held view of many who supported it that slavery was sanctioned by the bible.

Perhaps most of all, I found myself questioning some of the very assumptions of Epley’s exercise. For instance, like John Newton, people, churches and cultures can be on a spectrum of change regarding what they feel to be God’s standpoint on moral issues, especially those in which there is diversity of opinion. A culture may well influence what a person believes about God, but that’s not to say that a person, church or even entire people might fall out of agreement with a culture’s assumptions, as happened, for instance, in England with the slave trade, and then slavery itself , in the first part of the 19th century. It all depends where on the spectrum a person happens to be when you question them.

It seems to me that the US also provides a good example of change along a spectrum. In the churches, particularly in the evangelical community, there has for some time been an assumption that God’s will on moral issues prioritises personal morality, and issues such as abortion, family, homosexuality etc. It seems to me that this focus on ‘private morality’ is changing to a greater concern for social morality, for the well-being of the poor, and can especially be seen in the current debate in the US about health insurance.

What would Jesus say?’ does have some validity for people searching for God’s viewpoint on moral issues, if it leads them to study carefully, and in a contextualised way, what Jesus taught, and how that recontextualises for today. But it would need to be complemented by other factors, such as, the illumination of the Holy Spirit, and the generally held views of the people of faith.

The tool of the hermeneutical spiral for interpreting the bible seems to me to apply to the interpretation and application of moral issues also. The idea is that nobody comes to any biblical text or moral issue with a blank understanding. We all come with baggage of beliefs of many kinds, which may be a mixture of God’s viewpoint and culturally formed opinion. When a viewpoint is allowed to be subject to further evidence, illumination or in-put, it may change, and the understanding of the text or moral issue may also change. In this way, understanding spirals towards a better or improved understanding of the text, or of what God might be saying.

Does this mean that we never really understand what God is saying on moral issues? Not at all. We can come to a better position on moral issues, and with improved assurance or certainty. Sometimes the moral issue really speaks for itself, for instance when it became known how slaves were really treated in transportation or on the plantations. Sometimes moral standpoints may need to be more nuanced in the light of further information or evidence - which could well be the case with abortion, homosexuality, birth control etc.

I’m just not sure Epley and Myers have really thought through all the issues, and I found some of the relish with which researchers greeted their findings rather ugly.

 

Re: One important reason that objective monotheism is a bad ...

Myers, in particular, strikes me as a fundamentalist of the scientific method.  That’s why I read his blog.  It is such a sharp contrast to the religious fundamentalism that I often see.

Thanks for your thoughtful comments.

 

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