The Providential Preservation of God’s People and Word.
Israel in the bible is called a Multitude of Mighty Nations Perpetually, the Christian Nations of the "North West". All twelve tribes have continued being tweleve seprarate kindred nations with similar dialects in Christendom, fulfilling bible prophecy. We will demonstrate this through the following articles and audio sermons. There is a great audio sermon about the preservation of His people and the new testament we have always had at this URL.
The Western Christian Nations have been the ultimate fulfilment of the Israelite peoples of the earth by a unanimous multitude of scriptures confirming. The word "nation" or "chosen nation", (ethnos in greek) is also translated as the word "gentile". When Christ said in Matt 15:24 "I’m not sent but to the house of Israel" it was confirmed by the ethnic cultures He influenced. This has been common knowledge amung the west as you can see recorded here.
There are over 100 bible descriptions of the true Israel People, of which only the Western Christian Nations fulfill. The scripture says Israel would be blind to their identity and heritage, since when has a jew forgotten he’s a jew? So we know they couldn’t be Israel. The bible gives over 100 marks of identification so we know who is Israel and the jew fulfills ZERO while the White Western European fulfills 100% of them as the scripture says the way you know they’re Israel is they give FREELY to all nations all of their abundance, giving foreign aide, food, clothing, and that all races and nations will come to try and reap of their abundance in their lands. Marks of Israel: compare all those marks and see for yourself who’s who.
the replacements...
I see, by the way you spell
I see, by the way you spell God with a G-d crossing out God’s name I know you are jewish and of course your biases along with it. There’s no “replacement” since they always were the people of God.
I believe it is done not to
I believe it is done not to be ‘’crossing our God’s Name’’ (not that ‘God’ is His Name, anyway), …but to show respect because of feeling the word is too holy to spell fully. It is not just Jewish (Messianic) Christians who do this… some Christians have got in the habit of doing it to show respect to Jewish people…
not sure what you meant by ‘biases’ ‘Pastor’ Steve.
There are a lot of biases
There are a lot of biases when you’re looking at something from a jewish point of view. You should also note, it is not the bible that says to do that to God’s name but it is their “traditions of men” that God warned us about that are anti-biblical. In Fact God’s word is ABOVE His name. So should we cross out every word in the bible since they’re even more holy than the name? These traditions of men were warned against many times
Tts 1:14 “Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.”
Psa 138:2 I will worship toward thy holy temple, and **praise thy name** (not cross it out or not use it at all, replacing it with adonai, hashem, g-d, etc etc) for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name.
There are a lot of point of views going around these days that come from a jewish-talmudic(non-hebrew) point of view (there’s a difference), the babylonian talmud has many unbiblical teachings Jesus warned us about.
1John 4:3 “And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus the Messiah is come in the flesh is not of THE LORD: and this is that spirit of ANTI-CHRIST, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.”
2John 1:7 “For many DECIEVERS* are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus the Christ is come in the flesh. This is a DECIEVER* and an antiChrist.”
1John 2:22 “Who is a LIAR* but he that denieth that Jesus is the Messiah? He is ANTI-CHRIST, that denieth the Father and the Son.”
Rev. 3:9 “They who say they are of Judah are Liars and not of Judah but worship in they synagogue of satan.” (don’t confuse the southern kingdom JUDAH with the Northern Kingdom *ISRAEL who are not Jews)
Even top rabbis agree that the “traditions of men, traditions of the elders babylonian talmud” was a completely new faith in contradiction of the old faith.
Rabbi Stephen Wise, one of the main Jewish leaders in the United States a few years ago, stated that when the Jews returned to Jerusalem from Babylon (with the True Israelites), about 536 B.C., they brought with them the teachings which became known as the Babylonian Talmud. “This was the end of Hebraism, and the beginning of Judaism,” the learned Rabbi stated.
why i use the spelling, G-d.
hi Steve.
i just wanted to correct you on two assumptions that you made in reply to my post. firstly, i am not jewish but rather a christian. secondly, in using using the spelling G-d, i am not crossing His name out. my motivation is to remind myself that whatever I think G-d is, He is always more than that, being both knowable - He seeks relationship with His creation - and yet unknowable. ultimately my mind will never be able to grasp G-d in His essence, no matter how thorough my theology.
i also believe that we are the people of G-d but where i differ with you is in believing that G-d has not turned His back on Israel and will fulfill His promises to her. Jesus was a jew and not a christian after all.
In Matthew 5, he clearly states: "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven."
Jesus here clearly suggests that at least a portion of the Pharisees were righteous, something the church sometimes tends to forget - not all of them were whitewashed sepulcres. In addition, when a teacher of the law came up to Jesus and asked (Luke 10:25 onwards) what he must do to inherit eternal life, Jesus referred him back to the Law - those two golden and beautiful commandments.
In my early years as a christian i concentrated on the new testament and in a lot of ways, this was necessary and good. however i am now exploring the jewish roots of my faith and finding it very enriching - i refer to the old testament (Torah) here and not the talmut. i feel we need to guard against denying those roots and planting ourselves somewhere else.
I definately dont think God
I definately dont think God turned his back on Israel and dont know where you could get that from in my statements, since the title of this message the PROVIDENTIAL PRESERVATION of Israel. Jew in the bible means only 1 tribe, and somtimes includes levites and half the tribe of benjamin where it says “house of judah”. However the “House of Israel” is entirely separate from the “House of Judah”, and has been separate since after King Solomon when the two kingdoms were made. This is common knowledge in all theology books so I need not get into that (*two kingdoms 1Kings 11:37, Israel North West Mighty Nations Isa. 49:1-3,12; 60:9; Jer. 3:18,31:8 , and a plethora more verses already listed at this link), any church and any bible reads clearly the Northen Kingdom is Israel, and the Southern Kingdom Judah, and the Northern Kingdom moved North West to be the multitude of Mighty Nations of bible Prophecy nearly 3,000 years ago. The word “jew” and the word “Israel” are **NEVER interchangable words within the bible, they are two separate peoples. Now the only thing I am saying is “what about the other 11 non Judaic Tribes” Well God HAS PRESERVED THEM TOO! Amen and Amen Halalujah and Praise our Sovereign Lord.
Of course I agree that some of it was good what was taught by the Pharisees but in Mark 7 Christ said they **REJECT the law of Moses so they can keep their own man-made traditions. I wasn’t knocking the “good works”, but was knocking the “traditions of men” that “REJECT the law of Moses” (Mark 7:7-9).
BTW, I’ve been keeping all the feasts, sabbaths, and dietary laws for the last 10 years and I am encouraged to hear others are also learning these very deep truths that highly enhance our walk with our Heavenly Father. There are thousands of “non-jewish” congregations that also keep the feasts, because they never were called “the jews’ feasts” Lev. 28 for example always says they are “the Feasts of YAHWEH”, or “God’s feasts”, or divine appointments (moadim of YAHWEH) He has set to do a work in our lives on these set days. May the Lord Bless your studies…
points of agreement.
Steve. thanks for your last post - it looks like we agree on quite a bit after all. all the best, russ.
RE: FEASTS OF THE LORD, I
RE: FEASTS OF THE LORD, I said Lev. 28 but meant to say Lev. 23.
You should also note, it is
I do, and did, realise that…but it is because of grace it is done…
Glad to see some grace has happened here ;)
Hi ‘Mutant’…I though so…you reminded me of my friend Pete, who is not Messianic Himself, but spells God like that, for reasons of sensitivity and grace…
hey Maz. thanks for that -
hey Maz. thanks for that - the vote of confidence and spotting grace & sensitivity. go well my friend and here’s to much feisty & compassionate discussion on the boards. grace and more grace.
russ aka mutant
Is this relevant for the 'emerging church'?
Pastor Steve, I appreciate your interest in OST. I would suggest, however, that if you are going to use the site to promote what I suspect many would regard as a somewhat idiosyncratic theological position, you should i) show that you have some understanding of what the ‘emerging church’ is, and ii) demonstrate that there are good reasons why the emerging church should take your views into consideration. Personally I think that British-Israelism and related theologies are mistaken, but I am happy for you to make a reasoned case for pursuing the discussion on this website, the purpose of which is explicitly to develop a theology for the emerging church. Sorry if this sounds a bit repressive but I think we need to keep a little focused. Thanks.
Thank You
Thank you for the message. I am definately all willing in searching out deeper truths and proving all things, holding fast that which is good. I shall be doing research further as you reccomned next week. I will be offline for the next couple of days and perhaps through the weekend on Church work but if it can’t wait you can send me an email.