A Glimpse Into The Eye Of God

This recently came to me, so to speak and the only thing I can do with it is share it with you. I hope you feel the same and pass it on.

A Glimpse Into The Eye Of God

1. The Eternal Paradox Infinity equals zero. Nothing is infinite. Infinite is nothing. Imagine a black hole, it has infinite mass as such it has infinite gravity, even light cannot escape its pull. As a result of this the physical laws of the universe/reality no longer apply, as it’s existence is a paradox i.e. an impossibility which negates or removes it from this universe/reality. It in fact becomes a hole in space and in time.

The only impossibility is impossibility itself. Nature abhors a vacuum and will fill it at every opportunity, fill it with everything even light. Hence the properties of black holes or singularities. A black hole is simply a particle of matter that has broken a fundamental law of existence: that the faster you go the heavier you become. Until you reach the speed of light. Once that barrier is broken you become infinite, and you are no longer a part of this universe/reality. You are a paradox.

Accordingly the universe is NOT infinite. If it were phenomenon such as a black hole would not exist as they ARE infinite. To beings that exist in spacetime the universe appears infinite indeed but that cannot be for as 1 >.9999999 ad infinitum and always will, this universe/reality will one day end.

Or will it? Infinity negates both space and time, and time and space, as time is space and space is time.

Infinite is all the space in which to travel and all the time in which to do it. The only thing infinite in spacetime are the holes in it. Holes into which all matter is drawn or pushed into, as they are the paradox of the infinite. They are the vacuum of spacetime and into all of the universe/reality goes. Not just matter, but the time in which it exists is drawn into infinity, for it, at least in this space and time is NOTHING.

Nothing is impossible but impossibility itself. And into nothing all will go …….. eventually.

But do not let this disturb or frighten you, for out of nothing came everything, i.e. the Big Bang. Simply put, a black hole is a hole from spacetime into the infinite, the Big Bang a hole from which infinity pours spacetime.

The end of our universe/reality will occur when last bit of spacetime enters the infinite and only the holes remain, the last two meeting and joining at just over the speed of light which will create a paradox and as a result everything that went into these holes will come streaming out and ANOTHER universe will be born. This will definitely happen again, the existance of black holes in this universe/reality proves that, and will continue to happen as long as the paradox holds up. For if there is a universe/reality that is eternal it must be one that has no holes in it.

Gravity is a function of matter interacting with spacetime, or spacetime interacting with matter if you prefer. All matter from the smallest particle (other than a black hole) to the largest galaxy, moves through spacetime. It can also be said that spacetime flows around matter. The reason that we and everything else on this and other planets are pulled or pushed toward a point in its center is a physical manifestation of this interaction.

Matter in motion has gravity which is not a property of matter, but its existence in spacetime. The only thing that is not in motion is a black hole, as they are not a part of spacetime but a hole in it. If you were to observe two black holes that appeared to be moving toward each other it would in fact not be so. What you would see is the disappearance of spacetime between them, into them. They would not move toward each other but eat the distance between each other. Black holes are stationary in spacetime.

At sometime in the future they will all merge and join but only after ALL of spacetime is gone, and the speed that they will meet will be infinite. After that anything is possible, except impossibility itself.

But wait, if nothing is infinite and as such cannot exist in spacetime then what of God, something purported to be both eternal and infinite? How can something or someone like that exist in our universe/reality?

It cannot, except in our own imagination. God or the concept of perfection that it represents exists only in that realm, the realm of consciousness. We create (or re-create) God after God has created us. How else could God survive the trip through the white hole of the Big Bang, by the reaching of the conscious mind to the state of perfection, to the infinite.

We, beings of consciousness, are but tiny pieces of that perfection in the process of creating (or remembering) itself, the mind of God, and that our very existence is due only to the imagining of that mind of our existence. A mind that we (all conscious beings) are all a part of.

Our creation of God will in turn create us from God. Thus the circle of existence is complete.

It seems to me that all this fighting over the nature of God to be a form of consciousness-suicide, for the mind of the other you kill is a part of your own, connected by the infinite.

Death is only the returning of that part of the God/mind into itself, and birth its return from the infinite. The only thing that is required of us is the incremental imagining of this perfection. All life in its myriad forms is a function of this God/mind remembering(if you look at it from the end) or creating (or from its beginning) itself.

So if you want to be a part of God I suggest that you close your physical eyes and open the inner one that God gave you and imagine that God into existence, so that after the last two holes become one, God can imagine YOU.

But if God as we define it does not exist in the sense of something infinite and eternal, then where does God exist in the physical realm of spacetime? The answer is NOWHERE, as the infinite cannot exist in spacetime. There is a point in which God CAN exist and that is within the paradox.

In the moment before the Big Bang, the moment after the last two black holes collide there exists, in fact HAS to exist a moment in space and in time in which there is only….ONE.

Only one point in space and at only one time, and at that shortest of moments, in that tiniest of places God does in fact exist in the physical and the imagined.

For there and only there are all things possible…… even the impossible.

Are all things infinite.

All things ARE.

Perfection made real.

Zero-point.

Nirvana.

Heaven.

God.

Nothing = Infinite.

And at that point in space, in that moment of time…….a black hole in another God/minds reality. Send questions and comments to or GrimmJoke on AIM

Gibberish

There are a few coherent thoughts in there, but most of it seems fairly silly and groundless. It’s like a midnight rendez-vous between poetry and metaphysics. Poetry wins. And since there was a reference to math, let’s do an equation:

Let x=0.999999… Then 10x=9.99999… So 9x+x=9.9999… Or 9x=9.999…-x So 9x=9.999…-0.999… Hence 9x=9 Thus x=1

Someone showed me the above in high school. I thought it was fun. I’m only posting it because it’s (almost) relevant to the above post. I simply wish there were something more substantial to react to…

Peace, -Daniel-

Banality

Hrmmm…where to begin? First off if you are going to critique words or ideas that you did not in fact create you sould do the author the courtesy of at least specifying what you had a problem with or could not understand. If you are going to insult someone by calling their work or ideas “silly and groundless” then by all means PROVE it. Second, your use of a rather pedantic algebraic equation only proves that it is possible to lie in any language including mathematics. And lastly I find your general attitude to be both puerile and fundamentally insipid…….in other words next time you step up to the plate take a swing.

glimpses

GrimmJoke,

I apologize for the demeaning attitude of my post. I honestly meant no offense. My frustration is with the lack of sustained point to your original post. It strikes me as an interesting thought experiment, but there is no single thing to react to. You begin with astrophysics. A noble starting point. Few people, however, are invited into the conversation at this point. Not having studied black holes in depth, I cannot offer a scientific response, save that black holes have an event horizon, which from what I understand, is somewhat of a limit, a boundary. The idea that all of the universe will eventually get sucked into black holes from which another universe will be created may be fun, but it strikes me as a little over the top. From what I understand scientists are conflicted over whether the universe will undergo a Big Crunch (similar to what you describe), or whether the Big Bang will simply expand forever. Regardless, your concept of Divinity, or the Infinite, allows for absolutely no ongoing temporal relationship between God and God’s Creation such as is required by basic Christian belief. Finally, you say: “So if you want to be a part of God I suggest that you close your physical eyes and open the inner one that God gave you and imagine that God into existence, so that after the last two holes become one, God can imagine YOU.” When that’s translated based on the system you provide (with no real justification), it can be rendered: “If you want to be a part of the infinite, for whatever reason, think really hard about the above thought experiment, because when the universe ends, there’ll be another Big Bang, another ‘Creation’.” I don’t know about you, but that just doesn’t seem exciting to me. Perhaps I have simplified your thoughts unfairly, and if so I apologize. However I maintain that, from what I understand, the ‘God’ you portray is merely the ‘infinite’, forever incompatible with and removed from the world we live in… Such a ‘God’ is no ‘God’ to me.

Peace, -Daniel-

If this conversation is worth having...

If this conversation is worth having, it’s worth having without the insults, please. It’s all rather demeaning, and I don’t think it’s what we’re looking for in an emerging theology.

stating it simply.

hi Grimmjoke.

i think it might be useful - if we intend to continue this thread constructively - for you to state your proposition more simply and if possible, in a single paragraph. Einstein, Heisenberg and others were fond of stressing the importance of being able to state simply and in a manner understandable to Joe Soap, what one has discovered. from here i would welcome discussing things further, as i have a keen interest in quantum physics and the manner in which it increasingly echoes spiritual teaching.  

Quantum Spiritual Teaching

THomas Merton wrote in a essay called “Pray for Your Own Discovery” - “God utters me like a word containing a partial thought of Himself.”

OMG cool cool

..Hey im 17, yeah i know young..just graduated, going to TSTC Technical college in the fall. ok..Wow i was searching google,,(BORED), for the “Eye Of God”… cause i thought it was really interesting and just made me very curious about space, time , and life itself.. i read the paragraph on the eye of god by “grimmjoke”.. wow dude.. thats crazy how you think like that, wish i could .lol..but i just wanted to leave a comment on how that paragraph was so interesting to me..really cool..haha.. and the whole god thing..i think that god is not persay a being..but a lifeforce that has created everything..But the main question that i have ever wondered about was, who created god. or what started it all?…i cant see something being created from nothing….ok u think of a nothingness in the beginging, just all black or white or whatever say you… it doesnt seem like humanity was ever suppose to be able to think of that question to me..weird…..lol…I know our minds are not able to think or process information on what is really going on about the whole Universe and Time, and beyond…this is stuff i think about alot cause, you cannot possibly ever know the right answer..its all a matter of accumalated knowledge from past great minds that were so called “Scientists”. To me there isnt such thing as time in reality, cause its just a tool that was made long ago to make life easier in alot of different ways..i dont know. this topic is very Expandable and never ending..just like the theory or believe of christ and stuff in the bible. people beleive in faith, to make life easier, and to give a false hope. not saying that church or all that is bad..its good cause it does influence alot of people in positive ways..i guess im just a person that likes to believe in things that are scientificly provin. And this is only an opinion of what i think..not saying im right or wrong. im open for other peoples opinions..haha..wow i know im stupid, but i do like listening or talking about this subject cause, it is very interesting to me, and it makes me feel smart..hahaha jk..ok.

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I want the info…

reasonable questions

I am neither a mathematician nor a physicist nor even a philosopher but I think that both Grimmjoke and XCoNGAMMA are asking interesting questions and waiting for a response and deserve one; whether what I can say will satisfy them or not is doubtful but here’s my try:

Grimmjoke basically says that the universe is spacetime and matter. Black holes exist in our universe and are the closest things that we know to infinity. Here I have a problem coz basically infinity, in the limited science that I know, is an unimaginable and undefinable ‘quantity’. I think the equation of “black hole = infinity” is not a proven point from which all other knowledge about the universe can then be derived. Your problem begins when you say “imagine a black hole”, imagine the infinite is something that man has yet to accomplish. Black holes may appear infinite to us but are they really?

“God or the concept of perfection that it represents exists only in that realm, the realm of consciousness.” is a statement of belief, your belief-faith.

Science itself is a learning process that we use to try to understand our universe. The final word has not been spoken and as long as there are mysteries to explore, the final scientific word would not have been spoken. But in essence science deals with the ‘material’ world and it cannot, by its very nature ask meaningful questions about things that are not a part of nature.

Just as it is difficult for us to imagine black holes, it may well be impossible for us and our science to imagine or even to posit a creator who is somehow outside of the equation (so to speak). For Christians, God is someone who has revealed Himself to us. We are incapable of imagining or reconstructing Him from our knowledge.

So, in my tiny opinion, you are expecting science to do things that it cannot at this time do. You have to open your inner eye and seek God on His own terms. If He is there, He will answer you and from my own experience I know that He will. When He does, please don’t let your understanding of science/the universe get in the way!

I believe that if science is properly done, it will eventually lead us to our creator. If God has created this universe and we are studying that creation, then it has to!Live to serve : Serve to live

The question of Gravity

It is thought that the Universe has no edge….I like to think that it does in the form of Black holes/singularities…..and I am pondering whether or not gravity is a function of Time and not of Matter. Matter in spacetime has mass, but not all mass has gravity….unless it has motion through spacetime which changes its passage through time relative to all other matter… The M or String theorists have speculated that in every atom there exists a particle called a Graviton upon which the force of gravity is transmitted and they hope to find proof of its existance when the newest and most powerful particle accelerator is finished. I wonder if they may be barking up the wrong tree…..ah well …we’ll see soon enough.

On a different note, I do not believe in God. I know that God exists, belief is’nt necessary for God to exist, only for religion. I do not believe in religion. Asking me if I believe in God is like asking me if I believe in the mailman, which to me is rather silly.

tautology

I don’t think I did ask that question, did I? I take issue with your idea that God (whom you admit exists) has to be recreated (in our minds?) since God could not have made it “through” the process of the creation of this universe.

I don’t think that that necessarily follows from any of the (admittedly very limited) science that I know.

Live to serve : Serve to live

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